Comments on: What to Believe? http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42 Fri, 12 Aug 2011 19:10:25 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8 hourly 1 By: greeneye http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-148 greeneye Mon, 04 Sep 2006 23:13:53 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-148 We did give up our moral high ground, and I can't help but feel some shame in that. greeneye We did give up our moral high ground, and I can’t help but feel some shame in that.

greeneye

]]> By: Paulaz Eyez http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-144 Paulaz Eyez Mon, 04 Sep 2006 03:19:01 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-144 "Joe you are certainly more qualified to speak about the military mindset and those particualar persons who make critical decisions." However, "I can tell you impressions. Mine is not unlike a movie I once saw once or twice, "Hunt for Red October". I "feel" the war in Iraq was absolutely necessary. The timing needed to be pressed forward to the extreme. Also, it worked with the timing because it was the only time, ( after 911), that the american people would get behind. Why? Answer: Much like the movie, Hunt for Red October. The russian submarine captain ordered the submarine to turn "into" the torpedo instead of away. This action resulted in closing the gap between the two subs and the arming of torpedo fired. "It did not have time to arm". The US moving proactively unlike our normal MO effectively, "bent time." Speaking with TRV and Intuitive Skills what do you think about this? I still believe change can occur with this method. PAB “Joe you are certainly more qualified to speak about the military mindset and those particualar persons who make critical decisions.” However, “I can tell you impressions. Mine is not unlike a movie I once saw once or twice, “Hunt for Red October”. I “feel” the war in Iraq was absolutely necessary. The timing needed to be pressed forward to the extreme. Also, it worked with the timing because it was the only time, ( after 911), that the american people would get behind.

Why? Answer: Much like the movie, Hunt for Red October. The russian submarine captain ordered the submarine to turn “into” the torpedo instead of away. This action resulted in closing the gap between the two subs and the arming of torpedo fired. “It did not have time to arm”. The US moving proactively unlike our normal MO effectively, “bent time.”

Speaking with TRV and Intuitive Skills what do you think about this?

I still believe change can occur with this method. PAB

]]> By: Prairy http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-143 Prairy Mon, 04 Sep 2006 02:51:40 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-143 It's True. Saddam didn't have any WMD. He was playing though. That being said, the people who were most frightened over his "playing" at that time were some of the people closest to him. Everyone else (in Iraq) just carried on with their daily life, and business as usual. No matter what kind of smokescreen was drifting around. Seems there was a smokescreen of another kind being played out at the time, it had something to do with the shipping business. I've found that when we, the American Peoples, are directed to fearfully look in a certain pointed direction by the marionette masters and their puppets, the media, it is wise to look behind and beyond the pointed finger, to see what the veils of deception are trying to cover up and get away with while no one is looking. Kind Regards, Prairy It’s True. Saddam didn’t have any WMD. He was playing though. That being said, the people who were most frightened over his “playing” at that time were some of the people closest to him. Everyone else (in Iraq) just carried on with their daily life, and business as usual. No matter what kind of smokescreen was drifting around.

Seems there was a smokescreen of another kind being played out at the time, it had something to do with the shipping business.

I’ve found that when we, the American Peoples, are directed to fearfully look in a certain pointed direction by the marionette masters and their puppets, the media, it is wise to look behind and beyond the pointed finger, to see what the veils of deception are trying to cover up and get away with while no one is looking.

Kind Regards,
Prairy

]]> By: Greywolf http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-142 Greywolf Sun, 03 Sep 2006 06:36:02 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-142 "There are a number of things America has had in its favor in the view of the world court. In the past, America has occupied and maintained the “high ground.” America has tried to work well with its world neighbors, never taking major actions without first consulting with its major allies. America has typically had a good foreign policy. And lastly; America has never taken any action of war without first debating it across the aisle within the House and Senate, and reaching a consensus." - McMoneagle I must say I am a bit surprised to be hearing this from a former Intelligence officer. From what I know, as a lowly citizen who must reach some sort of conclusions and forge opinions based on information that has been edited and re-edited before it reaches them. Hasn't America been involved in the overthrowing of foreign governments in almost every decade this century? Has the US government not supplied arms and training to opposing sides over and over? Has it not done this unilaterally, without consulting the UN or international community, and very often, the nation that is the victim of US intervention and influence? So I really don't understand how you could summarize America's foreign policty as a "good" one overall. But what do I know, I'm just your average citizen who doesn't have the luxury of reliable intelligence to be able to make more rational conclusions and opinions. As in response to the above commentator, 46L353E , Iraq has been an American problem since the day that first F117 Stealth bombing that started the war. It is America's problem, because before America invaded Iraq, there was no problem. So saying that it's "no longer" America's problem, is as irresponsible as something can be. You can't just invade countries, create problems, and leave without helping to solve the problem you created in the first place. It's just like Vietnam. America is in the wrong place at the wrong time yet again, and the world is paying the price for the decisions made by a handful of folk in the US government. But then again, what do I know. Maybe there were WMD and the US was threatened. Maybe there weren't any, and the US should be spending the billion dollars a day in expanding it's Intelligence and Special Forces and hunting down terrorists, rather than spending it on an entire army in a war that's creating 10 new Osamas every day. GW “There are a number of things America has had in its favor in the view of the world court. In the past, America has occupied and maintained the “high ground.” America has tried to work well with its world neighbors, never taking major actions without first consulting with its major allies. America has typically had a good foreign policy. And lastly; America has never taken any action of war without first debating it across the aisle within the House and Senate, and reaching a consensus.” – McMoneagle

I must say I am a bit surprised to be hearing this from a former Intelligence officer. From what I know, as a lowly citizen who must reach some sort of conclusions and forge opinions based on information that has been edited and re-edited before it reaches them. Hasn’t America been involved in the overthrowing of foreign governments in almost every decade this century? Has the US government not supplied arms and training to opposing sides over and over? Has it not done this unilaterally, without consulting the UN or international community, and very often, the nation that is the victim of US intervention and influence? So I really don’t understand how you could summarize America’s foreign policty as a “good” one overall. But what do I know, I’m just your average citizen who doesn’t have the luxury of reliable intelligence to be able to make more rational conclusions and opinions.

As in response to the above commentator, 46L353E , Iraq has been an American problem since the day that first F117 Stealth bombing that started the war. It is America’s problem, because before America invaded Iraq, there was no problem. So saying that it’s “no longer” America’s problem, is as irresponsible as something can be. You can’t just invade countries, create problems, and leave without helping to solve the problem you created in the first place.

It’s just like Vietnam. America is in the wrong place at the wrong time yet again, and the world is paying the price for the decisions made by a handful of folk in the US government.

But then again, what do I know. Maybe there were WMD and the US was threatened. Maybe there weren’t any, and the US should be spending the billion dollars a day in expanding it’s Intelligence and Special Forces and hunting down terrorists, rather than spending it on an entire army in a war that’s creating 10 new Osamas every day.

GW

]]> By: 46L353E http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-140 46L353E Thu, 31 Aug 2006 21:12:09 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-140 I am not playing devil's advocate here. Further, I have no military background of any kind. I am not a person of distiction in any way. That being said, just what was all that noise Colin Powell made to the UN about WMD. He spoke passionately for hours on many specific details of Iraqi deception, about evidence to conceal WMDs. My recollection is that Hussein had literally months to dismantle anything he did not want found before the invasion finally came. Further when evidence was found and reported in the news it was as though nobody cared. I specifically recall hearing of a large cache of nerve gas-type chemicals found in warheads- enough to cause lots of misery and death- and what floored me was that this was not seen as any kind of vindication of anything. I truly do not understand. At this point, I feel if the Iraqi government still cannot put together a force effective enough to stop their own influx of illegal aliens, this is no longer our problem. We have given them time, money, opportunity in great abundance. If one terrorist finds his way across the Mexicn border and does damage here because our soldiers are tied up overseas, shame on us. Until such time as the people who live over there place more value on life than on martyrdom (with bonus innocent civilians thrown in for good measure) there is nothing to be gained by being there. Even though this kind of resistance and insurgency is popular it has a 100% failure rate. It will never compel the "enemy" to change his mind .- to see things their way. It will never bring masses of volunteers to their cause. It just perpetuates an endless circle of wicked deeds and for the ensuing revenge-- over and over. ANyway-- our Republic has failed us. Few and far between are the elected officials who act on behalf of the wants and needs of their constuency. I see most of the Republic political machinery as just a big machine to make a few people powerful and wealthy. Government serves government, then the people, maybe. We only get our way when we all but dismember them. That might be what comes next. I am not playing devil’s advocate here. Further, I have no military background of any kind. I am not a person of distiction in any way. That being said, just what was all that noise Colin Powell made to the UN about WMD. He spoke passionately for hours on many specific details of Iraqi deception, about evidence to conceal WMDs. My recollection is that Hussein had literally months to dismantle anything he did not want found before the invasion finally came. Further when evidence was found and reported in the news it was as though nobody cared. I specifically recall hearing of a large cache of nerve gas-type chemicals found in warheads- enough to cause lots of misery and death- and what floored me was that this was not seen as any kind of vindication of anything. I truly do not understand.

At this point, I feel if the Iraqi government still cannot put together a force effective enough to stop their own influx of illegal aliens, this is no longer our problem. We have given them time, money, opportunity in great abundance. If one terrorist finds his way across the Mexicn border and does damage here because our soldiers are tied up overseas, shame on us.

Until such time as the people who live over there place more value on life than on martyrdom (with bonus innocent civilians thrown in for good measure) there is nothing to be gained by being there. Even though this kind of resistance and insurgency is popular it has a 100% failure rate. It will never compel the “enemy” to change his mind .- to see things their way. It will never bring masses of volunteers to their cause. It just perpetuates an endless circle of wicked deeds and for the ensuing revenge– over and over.

ANyway– our Republic has failed us. Few and far between are the elected officials who act on behalf of the wants and needs of their constuency. I see most of the Republic political machinery as just a big machine to make a few people powerful and wealthy. Government serves government, then the people, maybe. We only get our way when we all but dismember them. That might be what comes next.

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]]> By: Eva http://www.mceagle.com/blog/42/comment-page-1#comment-137 Eva Tue, 29 Aug 2006 20:51:21 +0000 http://blog.mceagle.com/42#comment-137 I often don't understand why people make the decisions they make. But it seems that historically, the same things repeat. Empires are built up and then make the same mistakes like arrogance, overextension, and lack of care with basic infrastructure. Then empires collapse back on themselves. If the US wishes to avoid that fate, then it better stop making those same mistakes. I often don’t understand why people make the decisions they make. But it seems that historically, the same things repeat. Empires are built up and then make the same mistakes like arrogance, overextension, and lack of care with basic infrastructure. Then empires collapse back on themselves. If the US wishes to avoid that fate, then it better stop making those same mistakes.

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